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It's cute you believe that, but it's time to grow up.


THE LAWS ARE ON THE BOOKS - The President Approves or Veto's legislation, writes and administers executive orders and is Commander and Chief. He is UPHOLDING THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS INSTEAD OF IGNORING THEM LIKE THE LAST FOUR IMPOSTERS


"which I'm pretty sure throws ethics off the window since you know, it discourages government control, thus total chaos and discrimination towards all groups."




Yes I know: Blah Blah Blah and the Tin Hat and moms basement because you are such an educated debater "The Master Debaiter"


I was talking about the role of the modern Presidency in general and not specifically about the current President. Sorry if that wasn't clear.


Do you have any facts, such as the statistics for illegal immigrant numbers for the last 30 years?


Thanks Harry. The short reply would be "NO"


We need an executive branch, current office holders notwithstanding.


Few demographic estimates diverge as widely as do those pertaining to the size of America’s unauthorized immigrant population. Highly publicized estimates of the total number of unauthorized immigrants residing in the U.S. in recent years range from 10.8 million (Hoefer, Rytina and Baker 2011) to 13 million (Martin and Ruark 2011) to 20 million (Elbel 2007; Justich and Ng 2005).1 Likewise, recent estimates of the gross annual number of unauthorized immigrants entering the U.S. range from 300,000 (Passel and Cohn 2010) to a million (Smith 2011)2. Few other demographic estimates diverge as widely or receive so much public attention.
Immigration is rapidly changing the face of the United States. The 1990 census found that over the past ten years the U.S. population grew by about 22.1 million persons — about ten percent. During the same period,
the foreign-born population grew by about 5.7 million — over 40 percent.
Thus, the increase in the foreign-born population accounted for over one-quarter of the total population increase — ***not taking into consideration the high under count of immigrants, especially those who are illegally in the country.
The population increase attributable to immigrants also would be significantly higher if their children born in this country were also considered.


It looked like the numbers were declining under Obama. Based on what you posted.


There are only bits and pieces and as you can see by the Data I provided even the experts argue. 11.8 million to 20 million and what about the number of Illegals who gained Amnesty. https://uploads.disquscdn.c...
A new study on immigration underscores that immigration – legal and illegal – is adding 8.3 million people to the U.S. population every four years and that some of the fastest rates of migration are coming from countries hostile to American values of freedom and democracy.
For instance, the sending country with the largest percentage increase in immigrants living in the U.S. during the four years from 2010 to 2014 was Saudi Arabia, with a 93 percent increase, followed by
Bangladesh at 37 percent and Iraq at 36 percent.
About one-fourth of the 42.4 million foreign-born people living in the United States are illegal immigrants – this amounts to roughly 10.5 million,
according to the study by Center for Immigration Studies.
While many immigration hawks might dispute that number and say it’s actually much higher, the facts don’t bear it out, says Steven Camarota, director of research for CIS and co-author of the report with demographer Karen Zeigler.
“You can easily have a situation where 400,000 new people settle in the U.S. every year by overstaying their visas or sneaking across the border and that doesn’t mean you’re adding to the overall illegal
immigrant population,” Camarota told WND.
Read the entire study and view all the charts at
Obama in November 2014 issued a series of executive orders that granted amnesty to about 5 million illegals, or nearly half of the estimated 10.5 million to 11 million now in the country. The federal courts have thus far blocked his actions as unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court, which deadlocked on the issue previously, ruled Monday that it will not re-hear the case.
Meanwhile, illegal-alien crime sprees continue to rock the country, including a series of M-13 gang-related killings on Long Island. The most recent case involved the murder of two teenage girls.
On Sept. 13, Nisa Mickens, 15, and her best friend, Kayla Cuevas, 16, were murdered, their battered bodies found near an elementary school in Brentwood on the island, the New York Times reports.
A week later and just two miles away, the remains of two more teenagers – Oscar Acosta, 19, and Miguel Garcia-Moran, 15 – were discovered in the woods near a hospital.
For nearly two decades, MS-13, an El Salvadoran gang, has been “terrorizing” the town, especially its young people, according to the Times report. Since 2009, its members have been accused of at least 14
So the problems of illegal immigration are not to be downplayed. But the problems of legal immigration are many times greater, according to the CIS study, which analyzed Census data.
“You could have half-a-million every year come illegally, and in that same year some go home, every year some will die, and some who were illegal become legal,” Camarota said.
He said there are more than 100,000 illegals given legal status every year.
“They marry an American, they find employment with a company that gives them a visa, they win the visa lottery, or they get a ‘cancellation of removal’ order from a judge that essentially gives them asylum status,” he said.
Ann Coulter’s back, and she’s never been better than in “Adios, America!:
The Left’s Plan to Turn our Country into a Third World Hellhole.”
“Some get deported, and some go home voluntarily every year on their own. We can calculate death rates by age, and that’s why the overall illegal population can be stable even if 400,000 come in every year,” he
“You also have to remember that there are no illegal-immigrant births in the United States, because everybody born here is automatically a U.S. citizen,” Camarota added. “Now you can bemoan that and say it’s wrong, but for these purposes we can’t add them into the illegal population. We can only add those coming from abroad.”
Legal immigration has roughly four times the impact of illegal immigration, Camarota says.
“So the bottom line is, illegal immigration is dwarfed by legal immigration. The impact on our schools and on our welfare system is much bigger, and also the political impact.”
When states do apportionment and redistricting, they draw the lines for seats in Congress and state legislatures based on total population, regardless of immigration status.
“There are at least three legal immigrants for every illegal immigrant,” Camarota said. “And while the illegals do vote fraudulently, sometimes it’s the legal immigrants who vote in much larger numbers and
have the big political impact on our system.”
Legal immigrants are also more dangerous in terms of their propensity to commit acts of Islamic terrorism, a lesson that should have been learned from the 9/11 attacks in which the hijackers were here largely on student and tourist visas.
Refugees connected to acts of terror
More recently, the stabbing attacks on a St. Could, Minnesota, mall that injured 10 and the pipe bombings in New York city that injured 29 were carried out by refugees, meaning they were legal immigrants. The Chattanooga shooting of five U.S. servicemen and the mass shooting in San Bernardino in 2015, as well as the attack on an Orlando gay nightclub in June 2016, were all carried out by second-generation Americans born to Muslims who legally migrated to the U.S.
The study also found some surprising facts on jobs.
“There really are no jobs Americans won’t do,” Camarota said. “Pretty much every job category is at least half American, even farms, because there are still a lot of family farms.”
In the area of entrepreneurship, Camarota found that immigrants do start businesses, but overall their rates of employment versus self-employment are about the same as native-born Americans. “So entrepreneurship is not lacking among immigrants but nor is it a distinguishing characteristic.”
Promoters of refugee resettlement use ‘stupid’ arguments not supported by data
This refutes one of the main arguments used by mayors trying to promote refugee resettlement and mass immigration in their cities.
“The way in which refugee resettlement gets sold sometimes is so stupid,” Camarota said. “We could all say that the idea that they are fleeing for their life is probably not true in most cases, but the idea is that they are in desperate circumstances and we’re taking them as a humanitarian gesture. But we know from lots of data that refugees use welfare in large amounts and for very long periods of time. We know that about this population, so it’s reasonable for them to struggle
“Resettlement, if we’re going to do it, should be done as part of an honest discussion. We have the data on this, but we don’t [have an honest discussion].”
Welfare usage rates extremely high
Rates of welfare usage are not only high among refugees but also among immigrants from Latin America.
“Sixty percent of families from Mexico use at least one welfare program,” Camarota said. “Roughly half the Mexicans in the U.S. are illegal. But more importantly, what you see here if you pull out the illegals from Mexico and Latin America and you see that they sign their kids up for lots of programs. And those kids were born here, many of them. Even if they were not born here and are illegal, they can get free school, WIC and Medicaid. A pregnant woman can get Medicaid too if she is illegal.”
This is something that was not a problem during earlier waves of immigration in the 1880s, 1920s and 1950s. Immigrants were required to be self- supporting.
“Lots of immigrants come to America now and can’t support their own kids,” Camarota said. “They have to turn to the taxpayer. That’s the question to ask. Depends how you feel about that.”
US Amnesty Immigration and Amnesty Facts:
Granting amnesty to illegal immigrants is a controversial topic. Countries have borders, and one major job of most governments is to oversee those borders and regulate who enters.
Here are some interesting facts about illegal immigrants in the United States:
Illegal immigrants, as of 2012, made up 3.5 percent of the US population, which is about 11 million people. This is down from the peak year of 2007 when illegal immigrants made up 4 percent of the population.
Mexicans, the largest illegal immigrant group, account for a little more than half the illegal immigrants in the United States.
About 60 percent of illegal immigrants live in just six states: California, Texas, Florida, New York, New Jersey and Illinois. The largest percentage of illegal immigrants (8 percent) is in Nevada.
About 5 percent of the US workforce is made up of illegal immigrants. States with the highest percentage of illegal immigrant workers are Nevada, California, Texas and New Jersey.
***As of 2012, The Department of Homeland Security estimated that 11.4 million illegal immigrants were living in the United States.
There were 662,483 illegal immigrants who were apprehended in 2013, with the majority of them being from Mexico.
Over the years, there has been a great increase in the amount of unaccompanied illegal immigrant children: 14,721 in 2012, 24,668 in 2013, and approximately 60,000 in 2014.
The US Customs and Border Protection has termed the illegal immigrant children as “unoccupied alien children” or “UAC” for short.


Yes, there were some declines as was the case based on different criteria: Poor Economics here, and attrition of deportations, Deaths ect.
However the Number of Anchor babies is another category.
According to Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) legal policy
analyst Jon Feere, who testified before the House Judiciary Committee’s
Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security in April,
*** between
350,000 and 400,000 children are born annually to an illegal-alien
mother residing in the United States — as many as one in ten births
***As of 2010, four out of five children of illegal aliens
residing in the U.S. were born here — some 4 million kids. Reporting
that finding, the Pew Research Center noted that, while illegal
immigrants make up about 4 percent of the adult population, “because
they have high birthrates, their children make up a much larger share of
both the newborn population (8 percent) and the child population (7
percent) in this country.”
The cost of this is not negligible. Inflation-adjusted figures from the
U.S. Department of Agriculture projected that a child born in 2013 would
cost his parents *** $304,480 from birth to his eighteenth birthday. Given
that illegal-alien households are normally low-income households (three
out of five illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children live at or near
the poverty line), one would expect that a significant portion of that
cost will fall on the government.
***And that’s exactly what‘s happening.
According to CIS,
***71 percent of illegal-alien headed households with
children received some sort of welfare in 2009, compared with 39 percent
of native-headed houses with children. Illegal immigrants generally
access welfare programs through their U.S.-born children, to whom
government assistance is guaranteed. Additionally, U.S.-born children of
illegal aliens are entitled to American public schools, health care,
and more, even though illegal-alien households rarely pay taxes.
The short-term cost of “anchor babies” was revealed a decade ago in the
Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. “‘Anchor babies’ born to
illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and
have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under
Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income,” wrote medical
attorney Madeleine Pelner Cosman.
She noted the increasingly costly
situation in California:
    In 2003 in Stockton, California, *** 70 % of the 2,300 babies born
in San Joaquin General Hospital’s maternity ward were anchor babies,
and 45 percent of Stockton children under age six are Latino (up from 30
percent in 1993).
*** In 1994, 74,987 anchor babies in California hospital
maternity units cost $215 million and constituted 36 percent of all
Medi-Cal [California’s Medicaid program] births.
Now [2005] they account
for substantially more than half.
While perhaps humane, measures such as the 1986 Emergency Medical
Treatment and Active Labor Act, which requires hospital emergency
departments to treat all patients with an “emergency” (an infinitely
malleable term), regardless of documentation or ability to pay, have
facilitated the abuse of American health care by illegal aliens,
according to Cosman.
There are long-term costs, too. U.S.-born children of illegal aliens can
sponsor the immigration of family members once they come of age.
*** At 18,
an “anchor baby” can sponsor an overseas spouse and unmarried children
of his own;
***at 21, he can sponsor parents and siblings.
There may be a
long waiting period before that legal benefit is of use.
**(( But it’s a fact
that illegal aliens with American-born children are much less likely to
be deported, and that policy has been effectively enshrined in law with
President Obama’s Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful
Permanent Residents (DAPA) policy, which would effectively grant amnesty
to some 5 million illegal aliens, on top of the 2 to 3 million granted
amnesty under his Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policy.
(DAPA is currently under scrutiny in the courts.) ))**
Read more at: www.nationalreview.c...


Holy mother of Christ what a long-winded word salad. One statement that I'd like to respond to is "the fastest rates of migration are coming from countries hostile to American values of freedom and democracy," such as Saudi Arabia.
As much as I dislike to Saudi government, I think it would be foolish to associate any and all Saudi citizens with said government, especially considering it is not elected and therefore does not reflect its people's wants as much as a democracy might. Reverse the situation: I assume that just a year ago, you would have strenuously objected to being talked about a representative of Obama's ideology just because you're a US citizen, right?


.!. If you don't like it, don't read it and don't eat it. There are other salads for you though.
A Government does not necessarily reflect it's people. Look at AMERICAN and HER Citizens. That's obvious.
You can now however by the fleeing people and what they do to other countries when they get there.
Islam is an evil ideology. Does that make all MUSLIMS Bad? HELL KNOW. But by the time you figure it out, it may be too late.
Good people get caught up in terrible Ideologies and are subject to being indoctrinated and brainwashed - DUH.
Hows that salad for ya? Don't bother because I am blocking your smart-ass, as if you want to exchange ideas and solutions you don't mock the other person. Get it? It's rhetorical

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