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The making of money has been the foundation of the American experience since day one.  Philosophy be damned.  We borrowed heavily of the giants of the day to form our nation and then abandoned these principles almost immediately in search of wealth.
We have become a cultural wasteland...almost beyond belief.

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Too much to unpack, but in the US Clinton and Obama are Centrists (and Right of Centre at that). Sanders is a Leftist; Dukakis, less so. Trump is on a map of his own. He's just an Egoist, a low-grade meglomaniac.
You've noticed that the US reverses the positions of the rest of the world. It's not just about gun ownership. In the US, the Conservative Right is about fear-mongering and Corporatism, and the Liberal Left is about people and politese, except there is not no to speak of. The remnants of Left are simply a situation where so-called Liberals are everso slightly and at times imperceptibly to the left of the so-called Conservatives.
When they discuss freedom in the US, it is more typically freedom from as opposed to freedom to, and even the 'freedom tos' are backdoor run-arounds in support of 'freedom froms'. The US are a very reactionary bunch. They have a victim mentality stemming all the way back to their colonial roots, but when they got the chance to rise above it all and take the moral high ground, they opted to become bullies, and the world pays for it.
Lastly, the divide between rich and poor is significant, but it is not just about wealth and money; it's about education. Most Americans are dumber than a bag of rocks—and not sharp rocks. Their attention is kept through old fashioned bread and circus—sports, reality TV, and other entertainment. Chomsky nailed in in 1986 with his Manufactured Consent.

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The people who are above the middle class are the ruling class. Their wealth is what gives them the ability to rule. The wealthy people and oligarchs own the politicians and most of the court system. I think an argument could be made that Bill Clinton has been trying to help people but when it comes to Hillary Clinton, I think that is a super unrealistic statement. Trump is part of the ruling class based solely on his wealth. Trump has never before been involved in politics other than to purchase favors from high-profile politicians. He admitted this and spoke openly of it during his debates. How is it that you see the ruling class as being only those with wealth that abuse power? You believe all people in the ruling class are abusing their power?

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The people who are above the middle class are the ruling class. Their wealth is what gives them the ability to rule. The wealthy people and oligarchs own the politicians and most of the court system. I think an argument could be made that Bill Clinton has been trying to help people but when it comes to Hillary Clinton, I think that is a super unrealistic statement. Trump is part of the ruling class based solely on his wealth. Trump has never before been involved in politics other than to purchase favors from high-profile politicians. He admitted this and spoke openly of it during his debates. How is it that you see the ruling class as being only those with wealth that abuse power? You believe all people in the ruling class are abusing their power?


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