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Here's the interview that generated the idea for Bullshitman...
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Factmyth.com isn't bad

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Hey that looks worth checking out. Is it like Politifact?--in principle I mean? What do you think of politifact? I know what it's for, but nothing else about it.

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Hey that looks worth checking out. Is it like Politifact?--in principle I mean? What do you think of politifact? I know what it's for, but nothing else about it.

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I have a hard time with news.... And you are right on the bias. I like to use Breitbart/Daily Caller vs Mother Jones/Buzzfeed or gawker. Find the same story (which is a lot harder then you think) and read from extreme left and right sources. You would swear you are reading 2 different stories....
I have a slant, I will be honest and admit it... But it is not as bad as I used to be. A sight that has sources from far right and left and everywhere I between ( site actually labels each story with the slant) is whatfinger.com
Honestly never cared for politifact...takes me 5 seconds too research myself. In principle is a good idea, but even the fact checkers put a slant on their facts.
I like fact myth because it is very broad and try's to approach everything from all angles. Look up their liberty vs equality or political correctness post. They are pretty decent.
Truth be told I hate everyone in politics..Repubs, Demos...doesn't matter they are all corrupt and all they worry about is staying in power and money. It makes me sick. https://uploads.disquscdn.c...

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I have a hard time with news.... And you are right on the bias. I like to use Breitbart/Daily Caller vs Mother Jones/Buzzfeed or gawker. Find the same story (which is a lot harder then you think) and read from extreme left and right sources. You would swear you are reading 2 different stories....
I have a slant, I will be honest and admit it... But it is not as bad as I used to be. A sight that has sources from far right and left and everywhere I between ( site actually labels each story with the slant) is whatfinger.com
Honestly never cared for politifact...takes me 5 seconds too research myself. In principle is a good idea, but even the fact checkers put a slant on their facts.
I like fact myth because it is very broad and try's to approach everything from all angles. Look up their liberty vs equality or political correctness post. They are pretty decent.
Truth be told I hate everyone in politics..Repubs, Demos...doesn't matter they are all corrupt and all they worry about is staying in power and money. It makes me sick. https://uploads.disquscdn.c...

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Political correctness and totalitarianism, very good article

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Political correctness and totalitarianism, very good article

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I like the BBC personally.   I usually read a variety of news sources.  But if I have to read one on line or watch on TV, it's BBC.   Also like articles in the New Yorker and Atlantic Monthly. I also like "Commonweal" which brings a responsible faith perspective to contemporary issues.  It's edited and put out by progressive, educated Catholic laypersons.

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I like the BBC personally.   I usually read a variety of news sources.  But if I have to read one on line or watch on TV, it's BBC.   Also like articles in the New Yorker and Atlantic Monthly. I also like "Commonweal" which brings a responsible faith perspective to contemporary issues.  It's edited and put out by progressive, educated Catholic laypersons.

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I have to say my current opinion holds BBC News the most objective. There are a shitload of exceptions to that, and when it leans, it's almost always left. I think part of the dynamic is that the British are generally a lot more focused on what words mean than what they can be used for.
For example, years ago there was a story about an Israeli Defence Force soldier being "kidnapped," and the BBC published an entirely separate story on the word "kidnapped," and why they refused to use that word in place of the word "captured." I respected the way the reporter stood up and said "no, f*ck that, we're going to call things what they are."
On the other side of that, however, I also recognize that passing by an opportunity to exploit a tactical advantage can cost your own side lives, such as Colin Powell's horseshit name for the Invasion of Panama, "Operation Just Cause," which sounds like, "Operation We're Totally Right About Doing This." It was deliberately chosen so that "even detractors would justify it even in their accusations against it."
On the other hand, nobody seems to count the number of lives lost because of all the support lost from those who give our side the finger the second they realize how badly they are being bullshat.

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Any attempt to get into MILF panties is Operation Just Cause.
Just 'cause.
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That last line, kinda threw me for a loop. To me fanaticism is the "lack" of objectivity to your own view. Maybe I misread it or you have a different view I have not considered. If you could explain that/break that down for me maybe?

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That last line, kinda threw me for a loop. To me fanaticism is the "lack" of objectivity to your own view. Maybe I misread it or you have a different view I have not considered. If you could explain that/break that down for me maybe?

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So i was pondering some of the topics you brought up in both the article and your posts. Have you ever tried to play your own devils advocate and tear apart your own position? It is a lot harder then you think.
   It is amazing how much we tend to pay more attention to things that reinforce our own views while disregarding/skimming over things that don't. I my self have a noticeable right slant, but when looking for a good solid argument that is 180 degrees from my own I'll go argue on mother jones or some other lefty site. Many on the left and right actually want the same things.... It is just each side has radically different idea on how to get there.
  The only ideology that I absolutely hate and fear is communism/socialism. In my opinion it is one of the greatest travesties of out modern education that it isn't taught how truly evil these ideologies and attempts to implement  them have lead to the deaths of 10's of millions of people.
“Most of the evil in this world is done by people with good intentions.”
-T.S. Eliot-
People need to realize that everyone has the capacity for almost infinite evil. The people who think they are incapable of evil are the most dangerous...and often capable of the worst kinds of evil..

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So i was pondering some of the topics you brought up in both the article and your posts. Have you ever tried to play your own devils advocate and tear apart your own position? It is a lot harder then you think.
   It is amazing how much we tend to pay more attention to things that reinforce our own views while disregarding/skimming over things that don't. I my self have a noticeable right slant, but when looking for a good solid argument that is 180 degrees from my own I'll go argue on mother jones or some other lefty site. Many on the left and right actually want the same things.... It is just each side has radically different idea on how to get there.
  The only ideology that I absolutely hate and fear is communism/socialism. In my opinion it is one of the greatest travesties of out modern education that it isn't taught how truly evil these ideologies and attempts to implement  them have lead to the deaths of 10's of millions of people.
“Most of the evil in this world is done by people with good intentions.”
-T.S. Eliot-
People need to realize that everyone has the capacity for almost infinite evil. The people who think they are incapable of evil are the most dangerous...and often capable of the worst kinds of evil..

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The context I present the term "fanaticism" in, was that of the soldier who is always training. Every unit has at least one, if not the whole unit, who just simply is always training, and if he's good enough, he's sometimes recruited by the Rangers or Special Forces. My squad leader went SF. When several soldiers in a unit are like this individually, they can't help but notice the others that are doing the same, and they often combine into what we used to call informally, "The Operation."
This is what I mean, when I say "fanatics cluster."
I say the same thing about those determined to be objective, because by doing so, they also set themselves apart from others who are purely interested in "winning," similar to our elsewhere discussion on the difference between political competition and analytical discussion.
Like the fanatical soldiers, those who are determined, or by necessity, set themselves apart by being dedicated to objective thinking, that is, set apart from agreement or disagreement because of who said it or political interests, rather than the objective truth, often feel alone at first. Eventually, however, you discover that it makes you part of an unnamed class of people who enjoy being objective and become smarter and more observant for doing so, or must do so because they work in a field where accuracy matters more than politics--like medicine, mechanics, or police work, or many other fields.
If objectivity is not imposed by necessity, and one CHOOSES it among many who don't, it takes as big a set of brass balls to stick to it as it does to be a fanatical soldier, and like PT and weeks on the range to get that expert badge, it pays dividends, but you quickly notice that those in your life seem to have changed, because the half-ass soldiers have been replaced by those like you.
Fanatics cluster. The objective cluster. Birds of a feather.
By the way, if it seems like I'm on a soapbox and telling everyone else what wisdom is, that's not my purpose at all, it's just more efficient to state things in simple declaratives, rather than constantly pre-qualify every statement with "in my opinion." IMO is always clearly implied, however. smile

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Maybe a simpler way to compare Objectivity to Competition would be groups of soldiers comparing their medals, to groups of soldiers comparing the experiences that got them their medals.

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